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Old 12-12-2016, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: advice on duels approach

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Take opponents MR.


That's your desired MAcc.




I swear to god Keith if you're perpetuating the idea that MAcc helps stuns land through UD, you're an even greater troll than I am.
"I swear to god Keith if you're perpetuating the idea that MAcc helps stuns land through UD, you're an even greater troll than I am."

I think he just means that the OP should strive for enough MA to overcome the templar's MR so that he can stun through UD.

UD does give 800 (or was it 700?) stun and knockdown resist, but that means you have less than 20% chance of landing a stun if the templar has more MR than your MA via both gear and buffs.

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Old 12-12-2016, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: advice on duels approach

Rinku there is a long standing notion that MAcc helps stun through UD (which is why sins would rock MAcc sets sometimes).


This is false. As long as your MAcc is enough to counter their MR, you are good to go.


Also, we were talking about Glads which is why I further said what I said in such a tone. Templar would be a bit more understandable with Aether armor/shield stances
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Old 12-12-2016, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: advice on duels approach

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Hey aftershock! Likewise. I still roam the official forums from time to time, looking for actual discussions as opposed to the typical call-out threads that boil down to nothing more than "I'm better than you; look at my screenshots" :/

"An alternative might be to stick with MA and render his UD more or less useless"

Oh, don't get me wrong; I think that in every chanter vs X match-up, you should be using an offensive MA set. It's just that gladiators have several kill windows when they have UD up; that doesn't mean that the entire duration of UD is a kill window. It's efficient and important to the match-up to narrow or eliminate these kill windows with a block set as much as you can before going on the offensive.


"he's going to need to be prepared for the fact that glads are hitting ridiculous high acc with builds that are relatively easy to make."

How much acc are glads hitting nowadays, anyway?
4.7k + I think. Probably 4.8

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Rinku there is a long standing notion that MAcc helps stun through UD (which is why sins would rock MAcc sets sometimes).


This is false. As long as your MAcc is enough to counter their MR, you are good to go.


Also, we were talking about Glads which is why I further said what I said in such a tone. Templar would be a bit more understandable with Aether armor/shield stances
It's intended to make their life hell via binds and debuffs. Stuns through UD, that BS comes naturally lol.

The thing I've noticed is, aside from Clerics and clothie SR sets, most people seem to be dropping defensive sets altogether; I have. No more MR, never really used block, no msupp (that one is probably a mistake though). I guess I sort of believe defensive sets are a little unreliable now unless you're fighting someone who just doesn't have the gear... at which point what's to be proud of but I guess a win is a win.

Kind of countering my own advice about going MA, but also having spent a little bit of time on !aion I've found that seems to be the trend in the upper echelons of gear. I'm not really sure of how much of a difference it's going to make, but that's why I suggested it; feedback.

IE: for glad, like I said they're hitting insanely high acc and almost all of them prioritize that because they aren't like Temps, they stand less of a chance of piercing a block/strike resist cleric because they don't have the pulls to lock them down or the utilities. I just don't feel like going defensive vs a glad /w gear is a good idea...... But theory crafting. /shrug doesnt really get you anywhere I guess. Should have both sets on hand. Once you've evaluated your opponent react accordingly but.. I dunno. Seems over-complicated. Then again I'm just a Templar.. I hit things.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:17 AM
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Default Re: advice on duels approach

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Rinku there is a long standing notion that MAcc helps stun through UD (which is why sins would rock MAcc sets sometimes).


This is false. As long as your MAcc is enough to counter their MR, you are good to go.


Also, we were talking about Glads which is why I further said what I said in such a tone. Templar would be a bit more understandable with Aether armor/shield stances
Oh you mean like "if I have 800 more Macc than their MR, the extra Macc breaks through the 800 stun resist" or something?
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:26 AM
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Default Re: advice on duels approach

I think what he meant is, building MA to counter UD specifically is fruitless, but MA to overcome MR is to put them on lockdown through UD (which is gonna happen) is still viable.

The thing is I think he is focused on Glad, as was the topic, but when you play Aion you have to consider all the classes. Building for one specifically, or theory crafting for one, I dunno. Doesn't seem like a beneficial conversation if you don't throw in the alternative problems.

Temps can reach decent MR without MR or AA but they have to stance which isn't totally something a chanter can over come without the MA to bind them through stubborn so they can't do nyerk but stand there and eat godstone silences or blinds... Glads vs Chanter seems like an uphill battle for the glad if the Chanter is aggressive with interrupts and HoTs but at the same time glads have ways to put the pressure on at a distance too..

uhgggghghghg theory crafting is such terminally random bs. Always has been always will be
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