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Old 09-15-2014, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

Pure hp sucks though, like I've said before this set is primarily for 1v1 or when you know for sure you're only fighting magic. There's no point even equipping it if there's even one physical class around. So Mb/hp composites are where it's at :D I still reach 15.7k hp (with a +5 plume), while having 3.2k mb, 2150 ma and 2.7k ms before prayer of focus.

@Auto: the ancient coin cloth hat is actually currently the highest MS we can get in a hat. Higher than mythic EB cloth hat.

@Arlont: why would you lose pvp def from acc enchantments? You only lose pvp def from armour. Even then, the AC set gives a total of 5.4% pvp def when you add all the conditioning levels up, including the headpiece. Pvp def got nerfed along with pvp attack anyway; in both of those stats, their actual effectiveness is only just barely over half of their stated value. For instance, your pvp defense will only reduce incoming damage by about 52-53% of the amount of pvp defense you actually have. I've tested it myself: switching between pvp and pve sets, going from 37-40% pvp def to 0%, with the difference in MS being only 9 between the two sets, I took a mere 19-20% less magical damage in the pvp set.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

The % range I typed were for cases if enchanting accs don't come as easy for some and they go up against others that do have their accs enchanted.

The loss of pvpdef using pve gear for msup and then in the extreme case where a person doesn't have their accs enchanted using the msup set against someone who +5'd all of theirs. Not the ideal case, but was more of a current situation for me due to my RNG, atm.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:51 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

http://aiondatabase.net/us/item/110551090/

why does no1 talk about this gear? instead of ancient coin or will it not exist in our 4.7?
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Old 09-17-2014, 04:45 AM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

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http://aiondatabase.net/us/item/110551090/

why does no1 talk about this gear? instead of ancient coin or will it not exist in our 4.7?
Because you just linked one of the best PVP gears that's only achievable through the Pangaea cross server instance, after you battle against 3 factions, killing a raid boss and rolling against 49 others for it.
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Old 10-17-2014, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

Any links to these MS sets? I may have to dig around google to find out what people are wearing since i haven't seen any of these around yet.
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Old 10-17-2014, 06:28 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

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Any links to these MS sets? I may have to dig around google to find out what people are wearing since i haven't seen any of these around yet.
4.7 MS sets? http://aion.aspirine.su/beta/#!7p4HaZn

~3100 ms with idian, 16k-17k HP depending on plume, 20% stun resist

weapon is upgraded hyperion
shield is the new 65a2 shield
set & helm are the new AC set

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Pure hp sucks though, like I've said before this set is primarily for 1v1 or when you know for sure you're only fighting magic. There's no point even equipping it if there's even one physical class around.
That's not really true. I agree full HP isn't a great build but don't underestimate it. 2+ physicals and it's time to switch sets, but 1 physical is completely manageable under a msupp/HP hybrid build imo.
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:42 AM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

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4.7 MS sets? http://aion.aspirine.su/beta/#!7p4HaZn

~3100 ms with idian, 16k-17k HP depending on plume, 20% stun resist

weapon is upgraded hyperion
shield is the new 65a2 shield
set & helm are the new AC set


That's not really true. I agree full HP isn't a great build but don't underestimate it. 2+ physicals and it's time to switch sets, but 1 physical is completely manageable under a msupp/HP hybrid build imo.
Agreed, depending on who the person actually is. If it's some random in OW then that's fine, but someone who is very geared and whom I know to be skilled at their class? There's no way I'm going to be equipping that MS set if they're attacking me.

Edit: that said, I did try using my MS set at one point in some arranged 6v6 I was doing the other day. The opposing team had two geared gunners who blew me up pretty quick in a couple of fights, so I tried just using MS and kiting the melee for the 8 second duration of pressurised chamber, then switched back to MR afterwards. That worked quite well for me.

Edit 2: more so the point I was making is that it's better to have the extra MB. You only lose ~2k HP at most in using mb/hp composites as opposed to pure HP +100s. 17-18k HP and 1.6-1.7k mb (which, after the MS calculation, becomes effectively 0 against anyone in end game gear except plates, against whom you won't wear MS anyway) or 16k hp and 3.2k+ mb. I know which one I'd choose every time.

Though, of course, for someone who
1, mainly focuses on healing, and
2, doesn't have a large pool of kinah to draw from;
the pure HP build makes more sense.

Btw, what's this 20% stun resist through gear? Lol OP
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Old 10-18-2014, 06:51 AM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

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Btw, what's this 20% stun resist through gear? Lol OP
Those Katalam Accessories have a set effect which gives 200 stun resist as one of the stats when completed. Not sure if 4.7 has any new sets w/ that, though.
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Old 10-18-2014, 02:48 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

I can confirm I've resisted gunners' Dazzling Fire stun several times thanks to Katalam accs (it wasn't a MR resist because I've had it happen even on toons that weren't slotting any MR, and the gunner was an EB spammer so he was geared), it's RNG though so on a bad day you can still get stunned left and right anyway.
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Old 10-18-2014, 04:53 PM
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Default Re: 4.7 MR nerf affect cleric MR sets?

I am EAGERLY looking forward to this nerf. There are some very MR reliant clerics who are gonna have to learn skills again. Very excited.
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