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Old 10-25-2016, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

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Originally Posted by Teen - Tiamat View Post
fury is 3min cd, too long imo. same thing with IB, but it's nice to have since its ranged and can use to pull when IJ is in cd.

Should really consider using shieldbreaker. Damage is low but it has low cd and its very good skill to weave auto attacks with.
You mean Siegebreaker. I used to use it as part of my PvE DPS build and tbh, you still could. However, 3m on fury really isn't that bad. Consider this:

For instances like Sauro and other short-lived instances sure, you can take SB. I used to. For new end game, most mobs and bosses (including Abyss OW bosses and lvl 80 bosses) have a lot of HP and last a significant amount of time. The amount of times you can use your fury to boost all other skills is pretty high and in the end may overcome your damage added by SB. Just a thought ~ 3m is along CD, but the amount of times you can use it in most new instances/bosses is considerable.

Honestly, you could use either. Like I said, I mostly stick with fury and the build I posted because that's my pvp spec. I have no real need to change stigmas much as the DPS I put out is sufficient.

IB I would never drop. The CD is not bad and the animation is lightning fast. For example, you can weave punishment and go directly into IB. Lightning quick damage supplement to an otherwise long, single CD. I've started saving IB recently for damage purposes and depending on my own eyes to see when and when not to pull, rather than blowing IB into shock scrolls all the time. It can add a lot to a closing burst.


Play around, use both. I'm just lazy and don't see enough of a difference to warrant changing them around anymore. I used to though. IB should be perma slotted though.
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Old 10-25-2016, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

pve dps build should be something like this
http://aion.mouseclic.com/tool/stigma/bACHLMP65
you can swap divine fury for punishment if you'd prefer that.


if you don't have vision stigma something like this
http://aion.mouseclic.com/tool/stigma/bZQQLMP65
with the last 2 stigmas being up to you, probably group support skills though.
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Old 10-25-2016, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

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Sure is nice of you two to answer OP's question xD

Invig is pretty nice for /some/ circumstances. It has better DPS than Punishing Thrust, Punishment, or Inquisitor's Blow. I use it when I need to sustain for constant combat purposes. TBH the original reason for socketing it was so I could do Sealed Argent Manor, but since they reduced the rank cost you can get A rank without it now. It is also nice for soloing upper abyss instances since they take double damage you heal for twice as much. really solid sustain there. The only problem is it eats so much mana that you have to use mana pots or recovery pots (which isn't an issue in 5.1 when all pots become recovery type).

EP - mandatory
Resilience - its all about sustain so why wouldn't you take it?
Shield of Faith - more useful than increasing max hp. blocking 10 hits is huge when you're in a dps set that won't block passively.

I personally like to just fill my bar with attacks so I always have a high damage skill to weave, so I fill the 3 normal slots with:

Punishment
Punishing Thrust
Inquisitor's Blow

Gint will probably tell me i'm insane for not using double furies, so you can remove punish or PT for divine fury. PT is less DPS due to longer CD, but it is reliable spike. punish is shorter CD and better long-term DPS, but inconsistent damage. You decide.

The only point of running Invigorating strike is for a high-sustain high dps PVE spec. For PVP you'll want to swap Shield of Faith out for Aether Armor, and then decide if you want fury or an extra attacking move instead of EP.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...69/unknown.png
I don't see a point in talking down to people who experiment anymore. They might learn something I don't know. I covered some of this in the other active thread in our forums, have a read over there.

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Originally Posted by Teen - Tiamat View Post
fury is 3min cd, too long imo. same thing with IB, but it's nice to have since its ranged and can use to pull when IJ is in cd.

Should really consider using shieldbreaker. Damage is low but it has low cd and its very good skill to weave auto attacks with.
I responded to this in that same thread as well.


I mean, basically it's going to come down to taking the time to actually experiment between builds. I do feel the cookie cutter Templar build is great for most situations except full group runs. That's just my opinion. Other people are allowed to have theirs as it comes from their experience.

All I ask is try out the build(s) I list and compare!
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

Thanks everyone for replied ideas.

Invig is nice for solo stuff but ED is nice for tanking in instance etc.
Depend on we get gold stigma or not if not I'll just go for ED.

I got some more questions

Should I use rage chain or wrath strike chain while not tanking ?
I checked mace it has same accuracy as greatsword even buffed with courageous shield still has 400 different attack and I don't know how 400 attack works,Is it just flated 400 dmg or something ?
I can't use courageous shield effectively with greatsword during lag same reason why I go full cannon on my gunner.
I think rage is just bad idea for pve since mob just do one hit and your buff gone.
If I use shield I'll be able use extra 5 shields skills and they're low cd too does it make up with 400 attack I lost ?

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Old 10-25-2016, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

Despite lacking of attack but I can kill mobs(in iluma) as fast as if not faster than greatsword I think because of crit modifier of the sword + crit I got from courageous shield.Plus auto attacks + reroute power make great dps.The biggest plus is u can keep DPSing with s/s no need to wait a monster to hit you to use courageous shield and then switch to greatsword.

Yes I did read that sword and shield do higher dps thread.

I think I'm going to invest abit in sword and shield.
PS.If I'm not tanking then greatsword all the way.

Edit even I don't wait for courageous shield I still need to dps some skills with shield and sword which lead me to invest some money in sword and shield anyway.

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Old 10-27-2016, 07:40 AM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

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Originally Posted by Nelewen - Siel View Post
Thanks everyone for replied ideas.

Invig is nice for solo stuff but ED is nice for tanking in instance etc.
Depend on we get gold stigma or not if not I'll just go for ED.

I got some more questions

Should I use rage chain or wrath strike chain while not tanking ?
I checked mace it has same accuracy as greatsword even buffed with courageous shield still has 400 different attack and I don't know how 400 attack works,Is it just flated 400 dmg or something ?
I can't use courageous shield effectively with greatsword during lag same reason why I go full cannon on my gunner.
I think rage is just bad idea for pve since mob just do one hit and your buff gone.
If I use shield I'll be able use extra 5 shields skills and they're low cd too does it make up with 400 attack I lost ?
I never thought about that! I have my chain set to automatically go through the rage chain because I use that shield a lot for PvP + Shock scroll or stance to block other Templar pulls. Switching the chain to the wrathful would probably yield better DPS! Good idea.

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Originally Posted by Nelewen - Siel View Post
Despite lacking of attack but I can kill mobs(in iluma) as fast as if not faster than greatsword I think because of crit modifier of the sword + crit I got from courageous shield.Plus auto attacks + reroute power make great dps.The biggest plus is u can keep DPSing with s/s no need to wait a monster to hit you to use courageous shield and then switch to greatsword.

Yes I did read that sword and shield do higher dps thread.

I think I'm going to invest abit in sword and shield.
PS.If I'm not tanking then greatsword all the way.

Edit even I don't wait for courageous shield I still need to dps some skills with shield and sword which lead me to invest some money in sword and shield anyway.


About shield skills:

You don't need to live in x/shield to use them properly. OP has lag issues which might stop him, but simply learning your targets attacks will help eliminate that and boost your DPS by spending more time in greatsword. When you see a melee attack coming and you have some CDs lined up, just swap to shield, hit Provoking Roar and the attack will be blocked 100%. This gives you full control over your shield skills and allows you to set up Courageous Shield when you have DPS skills off CD. You don't wannt just pop CS and realize you only have ferocious and dazing up.

Yes, I remember the X/Shield thread too. I still stand against it and I still believe it is a duality between greatsword and shield but greatsword should be the predominant weapon used. X/Shield is really only there to buff greatsword and for utility in pvp.

But I may be wrong. I think someone posted a test, overall, but I remember their tools being uneven. Should enchant my 1 handers and do a test. I can almost promise if you tried to do that in a high end group you'd be sub par DPS and lose aggro.
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Last edited by Giint - Siel; 10-27-2016 at 08:01 AM.
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Old 10-27-2016, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

I learned that CS does a hugh boost to GS and I love it.
However I can't waste few seconds just to wait CS to work.

I set reroute power as 1st skills dazing as second and blood pact chains as 3rd.
Most of time CS buff did come in time before I use blood pact and I think that's good enough.

I removed rage from chain I think it's just stupid and I rarely to find a situation where I'm not the tank.
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Old 10-30-2016, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

rage is useful during pvp and during situations where you aren't tanking ie. siege/invasion (at least i dont tank cause ill wear pvp armor to purposefully not get aggro~)
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:10 AM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

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Originally Posted by Nelewen - Siel View Post
I learned that CS does a hugh boost to GS and I love it.
However I can't waste few seconds just to wait CS to work.

I set reroute power as 1st skills dazing as second and blood pact chains as 3rd.
Most of time CS buff did come in time before I use blood pact and I think that's good enough.

I removed rage from chain I think it's just stupid and I rarely to find a situation where I'm not the tank.
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Originally Posted by Deloeos - Siel View Post
rage is useful during pvp and during situations where you aren't tanking ie. siege/invasion (at least i dont tank cause ill wear pvp armor to purposefully not get aggro~)




Rage + Provoking Roar, stance + shock. Mix and match but try to count down the 30 seconds between DL's. Templar pulls are like SW CC, you can sort of predict when it's going to happen. No pulls on you. It's actually incredibly useful Vs other Templars and Glads to a point but generally you have to pair it with something else. It's a lot like a shock scroll by itself, it's gonna get burned off in a single weave. One of the best ways to maintain control in a high-octane plate v plate.
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Last edited by Giint - Siel; 10-31-2016 at 07:15 AM.
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Old 12-12-2016, 11:20 PM
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Default Re: Templar PVE stigma and dps

Hi again aftershock my friend is a fan of you,you're her idol she said,she watched your pvp videoes all time.

She's main a templar and she said sword/shield is better dps than greatsword I think there's some truth behind it.

-I found out this sentence is truth when reroute power buff is up,attack speed of sword is greatly affect performance of RP(when RP is off switch to greatsword)
-There's also an archdaeva shield skill that drain HP and low cd

I'm thinking to invest a mythic ac sword I already invest mythic lunar shield.

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